Ravna Gora (serija) – Epizoda 6

December 17, 2013
 

Episode 6 of RTS epic “Ravna Gora”

Leave a Reply

(required)

(required)


Before you post, please prove you are sentient.

What is hleb?

History


  
We know that Celts from the Balkans went to Asia minor and formed Galatia. What most people don't know is that maps of Celtic Europe are seriously out of date, and that Celts lived permanently and for a long time much further down south covering the whole territory of Serbia. Strabo in his book on Getae says:
The Amphilochians are Epirotae, as also are those nations who inhabit a rugged country situated above and close to the Illyrian mountains, the Molotti, Athamanes, Aethiceas, Tymphaei, Orestae Paroraei, and Atintanes, some of whom approach nearer to Macedonia, others to the Ionian Gulf. It is said that Orestes possessed the territory Orestias at the time of his flight, after the murder of his mother, and left the country bearing his name, where also he had built a city called Orestic Argos. With these people are intermixed Illyrian nations, some of whom are situated on the southern part of the mountainous district, and others above the Ionian Gulf. For above Epidamnus and Apollonia, as far as the Ceraunian mountains, live the Bulliones, Taulantii, Parthini, and Brygi...
Somewhere near are the silver mines of Damnstium. 
 ...The Molotti also were Epirotae, and were subjects of Pyrrhus Neoptolemus, the son of Achilles, and of his descendants who were Thessalians. The rest were governed by native princes. Some tribes were continually endeavouring to obtain the mastery over the others, but all were finally defeated by the Macedonians, except a few situated above the Ionian Gulf. They gave the name of Upper Macedonia to the country about Lyncestis, Pelagonia, Orestias, and Elimia. Later writers called it Macedonia the Free, and some extend the name of Macedonia to all the country as far as Corcyra, at the same time assigning as their reasons, the mode of cutting their hair, their language, the use of the chlamys, and similar things in which they resemble the Macedonians; some of them, however, speak two languages. On the dissolution of the Macedonia empire, they fell under the power of the Romans.
Damnstium has been found near town of Vranje in southern Serbia, 10 miles from where i come from and where people still use "Celtic" crosses. 


Strabo never mentions Celts, he Talks about Ilyrians, but the archeological finds show Celtic, Maceodian and Greek presence living together in the same locality.

Here is amended map of "Celtic" lands:



Here is amended map of "La Tene" lands:


The city of Damnstium has had at least three thousand inhabitants, and the town covered four or five acres. Since 2001. when the archaeological excavations began, only six or seven per cent of the surface had been explored....The site is unique because of the fact that we have an ancient material that has been developed in the Greek workshops, we have authentic material that is done here in the workshops based on the Greek model, and we have a material that is typical of Scordisci. In the Central Balkan area has not provided Greek material so far north or Scordici material so far south. You can read about the archaeological locality Damnstium here

So Celts, led by Brennus, went from Balkans to Asia minor and formed Galatia. What is not widely known is that names Brennus, Brennos are another evidence of a very old and strong link between the Slavs and Celts. Let me show you what i mean.
Brennus (or Brennos) is the name of two Gaulish chieftains famous in ancient history:
Brennus (4th century BC), chieftain of the Senones, a Gallic tribe originating from the modern areas of France known as Seine-et-Marne, Loiret, and Yonne; in 387 BC, in the Battle of the Allia, he led an army of Cisalpine Gauls in their attack on Rome.
Brennus (3rd century BC), one of the leaders of the army of Gauls who invaded Macedon and central Greece and defeated the assembled Greeks at Thermopylae.
The recurrence of the name Brennus makes it possible that it was a title rather than a proper name. Some 19th century scholars connected the name with the modern Welsh word "breenhín", and Irish words "branán, braine, braineach" meaning "a prince, a chief, leader". There is also an Irish name "Brian" with the same meaning. As early as the 12th century AD, authors such as Geoffrey of Monmouth (in his Historia Regum Britanniae were connecting the name Brennus with the Welsh personal name Bran (spelt Vran, Uran, Fran in old Welsh) meaning "Crow".
There is a very interesting story about roman military commander Marcus Valerius Corvus Calenus
Marcus Valerius Corvus Calenus (c. 370 – c. 270 BC) was an important military commander and politician from the early-to-middle period of the Roman Republic. A member of the Patrician gens Valeria, Valerius first came to prominence in 349 BC when he served as a Military tribune under the consul Lucius Furius Camillus who was on campaign against the Gauls of northern Italy. According to legend, prior to one battle a gigantic Gallic warrior challenged any Roman to single combat, and Valerius, who asked for and gained the consul’s permission, accepted. As they approached each other, a raven settled on Valerius’ helmet and it distracted the enemy's attention by flying at his face, allowing Valerius to kill the enemy Gaul. The two armies then fought, resulting in the Gallic forces being comprehensively routed, and ending in a decisive Roman victory. As a reward for his courage, Valerius was apparently given a gift of ten oxen and a golden crown, and he was eventually given the agnomen Corvus, which is the Latin term for a raven.
It is very interesting that Galls actually used helmets with raven totems standing on top of them. 

Celtic helm with raven totem, from Satu Mare (Romania)


In  Breton word Bran means Raven and Crow. There is also word marcʼhvran which means raven.

In Welsh, word frân mean crow and word gigfran means raven. Fran is in old Welsh also spelt Bran, Vran and Uran.

In Irish, word bran means raven.

In Serbian we have these two words:

Bran - defend, protect, be a barrier
Vran - black, Crow

Here are the Bran (defend) and Vran (crow, black) word clusters from Serbian:

Bran

Bran, brani - defend, protect, be a barrier
Braniti - defend, protect, watch over. From bran(i) + ti = defend + you
Brana - dam, wall, fence, defence, barrier, defender
Branik - border, fence, defence
Branan, Branjan, Branjanj, Branitelj - Defender. This is the exact equivalent of the
Welsh word "breenhín", and the Irish word "branán".
Zabraniti - to dam, to forbid, to put the wall or fence around something
Zabran - holly forest in which religious ceremonies are held and in which it is forbidden to cut trees, anything walled. In Serbia in even today fields are not walled, but marked with standing stones. In the past, only sacred places were walled, fenced off.

Derived personal names:

Brana, Branča - both male and female name meaning defender
Branko - male name meaning defender or defend it, in which case it was given to children to protect them from evil. From bran(i) + go = defend + it, him
Branislav, Branislava - male and female names meaning defender of faith. From bran(i) + slav = defend + faith
Branimir - male name meaning defender of peace. From bran(i) + mir = defend + peace
Branivoj - male name meaning defender soldier, border guard. From bran(i) + voj = defend + soldier
Branibor - male name meaning defender of god. From bran(i) + bor = defend + god
Branan, branjan, branjanj - defender, protector, maintainer. The name of fire part in Serbian Triglav Sun-Thunder-Fire triade. The equivalent of Brahma from Vedic Trimurti. The fire was in the prehistory the protector of human race, from both wild animals and cold. From Bran(i) + on = defend + he.

Toponyms: Branič, Brangović, Brankovina, Brančić, Braničevo, Branešci, Branetići, Branica, Branik, Branovo, Branoslavci...

Mountains: Branište, Branojevac,  Branova glava (Bran's head)

Vran

Vran - Black.

Crows are black. They are one of very few completely black things in nature in Europe. So it is natural that association was made between black and crow. This is why in Serbian Vran means both crow and black. Of all the languages in which we find Bran, Vran, Varan, Varun word for crow, only Serbian, Croatian, Bosnian, Czech and Polish have vran, vron as a word for black as well. This is a potential sign of how old this word is and which language it comes from.

Vrana - Crow, Black bird
Gavran - Raven, Black bird that talks. Govor + vran = govvran = gavran. You can see ravens talk here and here.
Linguist Derek Bickerton, building on the work of Bernd Heinrich, has recently argued that ravens are one of only four known animals (the others being bees, ants, and humans) who have demonstrated displacement, the capacity to communicate about objects or events that are distant in space or time from the communication. Young, unmated Common Ravens roost together at night, but usually forage alone during the day. However, when one discovers a large carcass guarded by a pair of adult ravens, he will return to the roost and communicate his find. The next day, a flock of young ravens will fly to the carcass, and chase off the adults. Bickerton argues that the advent of linguistic displacement was perhaps the most important event in the evolution of human language, and that ravens are the only other vertebrate to share this with humans.
Vranac - Black horse
Vranja - black sheep
Vrana kosa, Vrane oči - black hair, black eyes

Surnames derived from Vran: Vran, Vrana, Vraneš, Vranješević

Place names derived from Vran: Vrana, Vranje, Vranovci, Vranić, Vranče, Vrančići, Vraneši, Vraneštica, Vraneši, Vranište, Vranpotok, Vranjače, Vranjevići, Vranke...

Mountains: Vran, Vranica, Vranji Vrh, Vranj, Vranjevina, Vrana Stena, Gavran, Vranjača, Vranija...

We can see from the spelling of word for crow in Breton, Welsh, Irish and Serbian (Bran, Vran, Fran, Uran) that B, F, V, W (which later turned to U) are basically interchangeable sounds which depend on accent and dialect.

The name of Gaulish leader Brennus, Brennos could therefore be a personal name derived from a word "bran" meaning to defend: Brannas = bran + nas = defends + us = our defender.

Irish word for chief "branán, braine, braineach" as well as the Welsh word for chief "breenhín" are all derived from "bran" meaning to defend. The main role of a tribal chief was to defend its people. It is the same with Irish Surnames O'Branáin, O'Branagáin, O'Brannie.


Words "bran" meaning to defend and "vran" meaning crow, black are actually related and are both derived from the sound that crows make. The sound that crow makes is something that sounds like craaw, graaw, wraaw, raaw. 

I believe that people originally used characteristic sounds of animals as their names and that onomatopoeic animal names are some of the oldest words in human languages. The number of preserved onomatopoeic animal names in one language tells us how conservative and how old the language is. I talk about language development here

Early people needed to be able to communicate and tell other people that they see or hear a particular animal. This ability to communicate a presence of a particular animal, was extremely important for hunter gatherers. They needed to coordinate their actions and either escape or defend themselves from predators, or attack and kill pray for food. 
But at that stage in the language development there were no words, no grammar, no language that could be used to describe the animal and draw other people's attention to it.

How would you tell other people from your group that you see an animal without an ability to describe it using complex language? The easiest way is to use the characteristic animal sound. Everyone in the group shared common experience and they all saw and heard the same animals before. So the link between the animal sound and the animal already existed in their brains. If they heard a animal making its characteristic sound, the picture of the animal would pop into their mind and they would "recognise" what animal was making that sound. Imitating the sound of the animal would have the same effect. 

For instance, if you see a crow, and if you want to say to the other members of the group: Look there is a crow! How are you going to do it if there is no word for a crow? Even if you decide to invent word "crow", you have no way of explaining to the others what crow is, because there is no language yet. But everyone from your group have seen a crow, and have heard a crow. So if you imitate the sound of a crow, everyone knows what you are talking about. So "craaw, graaw, wraa, raa" conveys the message: "look there is a crow" perfectly and simply. Later on people invented other words for crows, but that was much later when they had a language as means to associate these "crow" words with "crow" meaning. 

Why do we have so many similar but different words for crow in European languages, like Vran, Bran, Crow, hræfn, crú, corvus, κόραξ (kórax)? Because different people hear the same thing differently and are able to reproduce it differently. You can read more about language development and how it is dependant on our ability to hear and reproduce sounds here. If members of one family hear "craaw" while watching crows, and one of them points at the crows and says "craaw", everyone from that family will know from then on that "craaw" means crow.  Members of another family hear "wraa" while watching crows, and one of them points at the crows and says "wraa, vraa", everyone from that family will know from then on that "wraa, vraa" means crow.  Later on, as language develops, you get Vra + On = vra + it, he = vran = the thing that says vra...Or you just continue using Craa (Crow) as the name of the bird. It is interesting that Raven is an onomatopoeic name as well, as characteristic sound of the ravens is "raw". 


The important thing to understand about how animal names were created from animal sounds is that the name only needs to "sound like" the animal sounds. The imitation of the animal sound (the name) and the actual animal sound are not and can not be identical, because the animal sounds are built in such a way that human sound apparatus can't replicate them completely. But humans can produce something that "sounds like" the animal they are trying to imitate, describe. As long as human imitation of a particular animal sound is clearly different from other human made sounds imitating other animal sounds, it will clearly and uniquely identify the animal in question to other humans.



Here is the sound of crows:

HALYARD MISSION legend Captain Nick A. Lalich of the OSS shares diary entries from 1944 of great WWII Mihailovich rescue operations in the former Yugoslavia at Chicago celebration marking 50th Anniversary

HALYARD MISSION legend Captain Nick A. Lalich of the OSS shares diary entries from 1944 of great WWII Mihailovich rescue operations in the former Yugoslavia at Chicago celebration marking 50th Anniversary

Captain Nick A. Lalich, a WWII American O.S.S. Officer, was instrumental in setting up and successfully carrying through the classified, top secret "Halyard Mission Rescue Operation"

Hidden soul of Belgrade: Tasmajdan

Hidden soul of Belgrade: Tasmajdan

BELGRADE – The cave underneath the Tasmajdan Park in downtown Belgrade conceals the rich history of the capital – it was the headquarters of the German military command in World War II, Belgraders sought shelter there during the shelling...

Sixth sense

Sixth sense

An indigenous nice middle aged English person, a blind man with a white stick, walks by the busy road. It looked as if he wanted to cross the road so I offered to help, he was glad and thankful.

ANNIVERSARY OF BLOODY USTASHA FEAST AT VELEBIT AND PAG

Allies’ First Victory: Battle of Cer

Bogovo gumno – God’s threshing floor

PAJA JOVANOVIĆ REVISITED

Why Serbia Chose Yugoslavia

Excavations in Pribojska Banja reveal mediaeval treasure

Mission “Halyard”: Heroes Betrayed

Miroslav Svirčević, 1970-2014

Remembering Archibald Reiss: Friend of the Serbs

Crime and Reward

“My beloved and heroic Serbs!”

Doomed to Repeat It

Ognjena Marija

A Day In Niš, One Of Europe’s Oldest Historical Cities

Triglav , Trojan, Trinity, Trimurti, Agni

The people of the blade


TV

Miloš Kostić – US military strategist gives his account of the BiH conflict ShareRedditStumbleUponEmailPrintDigg

CrossTalk: Russia’s Worldview

Ray McGovern, Martin McCauley and I try to explain what's going on between Russia and the West.CrossTalk, aired August 25, 2014:

American Serb Toma Dobrosavljevic to appear in US hit show

American Serb Toma Dobrosavljevic to appear in US hit show

Toma Dobrosavljevic was born in South Chicago to Serbian immigrant parents and raised with an older sister in nearby Addison, Illinois. He appears in the forthcoming series of TV's weight-watch show The Biggest Loser.

The shocking Marina Abramovich – Newsnight ShareRedditStumbleUponEmailPrintDigg

Ljajic: Serbia will get digital TV signal by mid 2015

The female fighter in World War One

Serbia: Digitalization to be completed by end of 2014

Ukraine: Behind the Ceasefire

Ukraine: Behind the Ceasefire

Saatchi & Saatchi Belgrade wins “Bronze Lion” at the Cannes Film Festival

Jovanovic: EU is not behind RTS subscription

RTS Subscription: When Vucic makes a promise …

The Bosnian ‘Death Camp’ Accusation: An Expose

James Collins (Graovac) Chorographers to Britain’s Got Talent

Reboot of “Charmed” to be filmed in Belgrade?

Remembering the Great War

RTS, B92 press applauds Brit-Serb massive flood effort

Serbia Cable Channels Resume After Flood Mix-up

Marko Jaric hopes he can reconcile with Adriana

Man vs Weird, Channel 4 – TV review: ‘The star of ‘Horrible Histories’ gives us an eye-popping travelogue’


Latest

Xenia – Troje

US Open 2014: Andy Murray beats Jo-Wilfried Tsonga in straight sets – The Independent

Karadjordjevdan in Leicester

Putevi Srbije: Vozači da prilagode brzinu vremenskim uslovima

Jako nevreme u Petrovcu, bujica prodrla i u hotele

Serena, Pennetta set-up US Open quarter-final clash – Business Insider

Serena, Pennetta set-up US Open quarter-final clash – Business Insider

Jako nevreme pogodilo Niš

Gužve za teretnjake na Batrovcima i Horgošu

Osnovana Kanadsko-srpska poslovna asocijacija

Switch to our mobile site